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Austrian "ALICE" Style Rucksack with Carrying Yoke, Surplus
Dirt cheap Austrian rucksack with a carrying yoke. Very high-tech carrying system in the '80s. Modular already when nobody had even heard the word yet. Perfect for a few days' journeys back in time.
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Dirt cheap Austrian rucksack with a carrying yoke. Very high-tech carrying system in the '80s. Modular already when nobody had even heard the word yet. Perfect for a few days' journeys back in time.
Features
In the golden '80s, Austrians had a carrying system that consisted of a largish rucksack and a smaller bag that could be carried as a front pack or a butt pack. The smaller one could also function as a shoulder bag or a small backpack. We have previously sold the ass bags and now we got the rucksack. Maybe one day we’ll have both at the same time. In case we only get the smaller one next time, too, you should buy this rucksack now though.
This is pretty similar in outlook to the US Alice pack except that it doesn’t have any kind of a frame. The carrying straps are quite minimally padded and there is no hip belt. Well, too much padding screws up your shooting, and ergonomics and other comfort nonsense are devil’s inventions to the vintage folks anyway. The straps are attached to the rucksack with metal hooks. In case you don’t like fast detachability, you can bend them properly shut if you want.
The large main compartment has a separate big pocket closeable with a metal buckle where you can slide in e.g. the BW sleeping mat. The bottom is rubberized, on some on the outside and on others on the inside. This will prevent all your crap from getting soaked when you set the rucksack on wet moss or grass. The main compartment is closed with a double drawstring and a separate flap. The double drawstring enables you to overpack the rucksack to some extent or make really sure that your stuff won’t fall out.
The rucksack has a small pouch on both sides and a bit bigger pouch on the outside. There are rucksacks made at different times here, so the colors and small details can vary a bit. They are made of Nylon.
Condition
Used Austrian military surplus. These have been used with varied intensity. So, they can have some surface rust on metal bits, small stains, a little bit frayed straps, and other typical signs of use. These are in serviceable condition though.
Austrian surplus
Functional, neutral, clean. That's what the Austrian Bundesheer gear is made of. Our Austrian surplus revolves mostly around the Anzug 75 and Anzug 03 clothing systems, but who knows, maybe the "Tarnanzug Neu" will make it's appearance if the Austrians decide to clear the stocks in the future. Get your OD gear while the stocks last.
After the Second World War the Austrian soldier looked like a weird mixture of Allies and Germans; the M1 style helmet and general profile really tried to bring that NATO vibe up, but a lot of the gear and even the dotted camouflage pattern looked surprisingly much like WW2 German issue. In the 70s they took a major leap towards NATO with the introduction of the all-green Anzug 75 clothing and equipment system closely inspired by the American equivalents, finally letting go of the "old stuff". The Anzug 03 brought the game up to date with some changes in effort to modernize the whole thing. Now the Bundesheer is again moving over to camouflage.
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Jeff D. 27.08.2021 Verified purchase
If you want an ALICE style rucksack, I would recommend getting one NOW, before they are sold out. It's great buy for the money.
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Jesse V. 12.11.2021 ⚠ Unverified purchase
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Dean F. 20.12.2021 Verified purchase
- main compartment capacity is probably in the neighborhood of 50L. Not as spacious as the 65L BW ruck nor does it carry as well, but noticeably larger than a BW mountain ruck or US combat patrol pack.
- the material is your typical slippery ALICE-esque nylon. A tiny bit of water repellency, much better in mist or a drizzle than canvas, but you'll still want a liner bag for any serious rain.
- due to the generous size, lack of any frame, and combat yoke passing as shoulder straps, this thing is super floppy until you have a bunch of stuff in it. The buckles do allow you to cinch the lid down pretty tight so if you only have a half load, it doesn't look quite so much like a bunch of smashed assholes.
- the straps. Ohhh boy, the straps. If you're skinny like me without a lot of fat on your neck and shoulders, humping any significant load for longer than a day will get miserable. I just used a towel as padding and it was okay, but I won't use this for any serious humping again until I manage to DIY a solution involving proper modern pack straps.
- also, due to the way the pack kinda "hangs" off the shoulder attachments at the very top of the back, it slouches down kinda low on the back even with the carry straps tightened all the way. I personally like to carry my ruck fairly high on my back, so this was kinda unpleasant.
- on the bright side, the straps are basically a M1956 LCE harness made out of nylon, so the sky's the limit if you wanna pull them off and use them for an LCE setup. Now I kinda wish I didn't cut the back straps off to get out of my way while humping...
- there's a pathetic "carry handle" between the shoulder strap points. It sucks, but it's there.
- the clasp/slide buckles are awesome, they will never come loose on their own and are super easy to use and adjust on the fly. Dunno why they never caught on with other armies.
- the external pouches are bigger than they look. For perspective, you can fit two BW toiletry kits full of crap in the front pocket, and the sides will swallow up a Swiss 1L canteen with room to spare for other snacks and small items.
- you can lash stuff like ponchos and blankets to the top of the ruck using the top straps thanks to the design as they go through the little webbing "tunnel".
- the roll-up straps above the side pouches are awesome for stuff like rain gear and intermediate layers that you may need to don/doff throughout a day of humping, but don't want to have to open and fish through your pack for every time. As an added bonus if you use them like I did, having your wet socks or midlayer or jacket on the outside means they stand a chance of drying out. You might be able to use them for stuff like a rolled poncho/zelt/greatcoat, but them being right above the side pouches might hamper this. And no, you can't cram stuff like tool handles behind the side pouches like you can on the BW mountain ruck.
There are better rucks for sure, but this is still an easy 4/5 at under 30 USD, a very solid "do anything" pack on a budget, especially considering how USGI ALICE packs are steadily creeping up in price. Just be prepared to curse the shoulder straps.
UPDATE: Shoulder straps from the USGI ALICE pack will fit with a bit of elbow grease and swearing! The top of the US straps will fit (tightly) as is, on the bottom you'll have to rip the stitches out and sew ALICE snap hooks on. https://imgur.com/a/aZR5Eiw
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Martin J. 19.01.2022 ⚠ Unverified purchase
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OGIE F. 15.11.2022 Verified purchase
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